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[uese]

I had this thread running a year ago or something and it proved to be a huge success - so let's go for it again!!!

We all (ok, not all, but most) like to have comments & votes on our work - so do I.

I think the principle of "comments trading" is great and worked well a year ago. So: For any 5 comments/critiques on any of my galleries/photos you'll get (at least) 6 back.

I don't only give positive feedback and don't only expect so, btw. Be constructive so we can learn from each other the most possible. If you like what you see and think it's worthwile, you may leave a vote.

Sounds like a fair deal?

Go to: http://www.pbase.com/uese

Those who want to join the "traders community" can do so by commenting on this post.

[icholakov]

Your galleries are great and I wish I had the time to scroll through all the photos. I've left comments on a couple of them, those that are close to the way I like to shoot photos. My favorites are aviation, birds and odd looking places. One Idea that I have added to atwo of my galleries is to combine the photo with a verse of poetry. Check it out and let me know if it works.
Keep up the good work!

http://www.pbase.com/icholakov

Ivan

[kirstenmary]

Great idea!

[jestev]

Wonderful idea! Just opening your root impressed me!

[phil_stubbs]

AS you say we all like to get comments and I am no different. I also welcome constructive critique as I wish to learn and improve.

Please count me in.

http://www.pbase.com/phil_stubbs

Phil

[arn]

Sigh. This should be what the PBase feedback system is all about in the first place. Constructive criticism and praise where it's due. I positively HATE to beg for comments and I can't understand for anyone to beg for voting. And we all wan't comments and feedback - that's why we post the images here, it's obvious.
And I never, ever vote for anyone who asks me to and neither should anyone else vote just because someone asks them to!

We should give comment because of our own will and initiative, not because of pity. We should vote because we think that an image deserves to be seen, not because the artist want's to be popular. Good grief! I never would have thought that photography was some kind of substitute for card a exchange hobby.

[jestev]

arn, this comment swap isnt about giving other people votes, I use this as a way to see other photographers' work that I wouldnt have seen otherwise. I dont vote on all the shots I comment on, and I dont only give positive feedback either. We all came to PBase, I expect, to learn more about the photographic art by seeing other people's work and by having others comment on our own. This idea of comment-swapping is based on that same principle.

Thats just the way I see it.

[arn]

arn, this comment swap isnt about giving other people votes, I use this as a way to see other photographers' work that I wouldnt have seen otherwise. I dont vote on all the shots I comment on, and I dont only give positive feedback either. We all came to PBase, I expect, to learn more about the photographic art by seeing other people's work and by having others comment on our own. This idea of comment-swapping is based on that same principle.

Thats just the way I see it.

I know. I like to give and receive comments, it's as simple as that. Maybe it's a cultural thing (being a Scandinavian) I might feel differently about this. We are not used to self adverstising. There's just something that rubs me the wrong way about the need to specifically ask for comments / votes.

Every time that someone signs my guestbook and doesn't have anything else to say, except "please come see my galleries and vote for me!" - I wan't to scream! I've got quite a lot of this kind of messages that don't GIVE anything, just beg for attention. Maybe that's why I get angry about it. Anyway, I toned down the style of my earlier post (removed bolding) - that was me getting too emotional

[uese]

Sigh. This should be what the PBase feedback system is all about in the first place. Constructive criticism and praise where it's due. I positively HATE to beg for comments and I can't understand for anyone to beg for voting. And we all wan't comments and feedback - that's why we post the images here, it's obvious.
And I NEVER, EVER VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO ASKS ME TO, and neither should anyone else vote just because someone asks them to!

We should give comment because of our own will and initiative, not because of pity. We should vote because we think that an image deserves to be seen, not because the artist want's to be popular. Good grief! I never would have thought that photography was some kind of substitute for card a exchange hobby.

Arn: Thanks for posting your view here - I agree to the voting part of your statement. I didn't ask the people to specifically vote on my stuff but to leave a comment (vote is totally voluntarily, and should only be given if found deserved).

The thing with my thread here is the following: If someone leaves a comment here (according to my "deal" above) she/he will get constructive comments on her photos whatever the quality of her/his shots are. So she/he can learn and get a view on what others like or not. You know yourself, that if we just comment "freely" we tend to comment the very nice galleries and photos and leave the maybe less experienced aside. I've gotten over 1000 comments during the last year so I really don't need more comments "for pitty" reasons. But this thread leads me to galleries I wouldn't find or visit otherwise.

I hope you better understand my reasoning behind this better know.
Many thanks for your comments on my gallery as well - highly appreciated!

Yours, blu

[arn]

Arn: Thanks for posting your view here - I agree to the voting part of your statement. I didn't ask the people to specifically vote on my stuff but to leave a comment (vote is totally voluntarily, and should only be given if found deserved).

The thing with my thread here is the following: If someone leaves a comment here (according to my "deal" above) she/he will get constructive comments on her photos whatever the quality of her/his shots are. So she/he can learn and get a view on what others like or not. You know yourself, that if we just comment "freely" we tend to comment the very nice galleries and photos and leave the maybe less experienced aside. I've gotten over 1000 comments during the last year so I really don't need more comments "for pitty" reasons. But this thread leads me to galleries I wouldn't find or visit otherwise.

I hope you better understand my reasoning behind this better know.
Many thanks for your comments on my gallery as well - highly appreciated!

The first thing that I did, when I checked your galleries - was leave comments when I saw images that I liked. I left them solely, because I felt that they made me want to say someting. And there were a lot of images that I liked. Maybe you understand my thoughts better, when you read my second post. Sometimes I feel positively plaqued by people that are more interested in asking for praise than learning the basics of photography. The galleries also get spam these days. This all is distracting for photography, so it may make my feelings more intense.

I guess, If read you correctly (english not being my native language) what you meant in your post and to which I would certainly agree is:
We should all try to express our opinions more freely when looking at the galleries and try to help people become better photographers with our comments. Something that makes this hard, is that many (most) people don't expect to receive anything except praise (they really don't). Of course, critique is a hard skill and takes some talent to do tactfully. Even for the most optimistic photographer, constructive criticism can be given without any misunderstanding or failed expectations, when given with utmost care... Something, that I think we should take when giving negative comments about photographs that people may hold dear, is care. We don't want to ruin the path of the beginning photographer by destroying his/her dreams. But on the other hand, we don't want to amplify any illusions about the state of the photographers talent.

I also apologise, that I did not give constructive criticism in your galleries - I only gave positive comments. I did not have time to find bad images that would have had something to criticize...

[tlucente]

Uese,

Count me in. I only recently joined pbase, and it was in hopes that I would get more feedback than some other forums I'm in. Honest constructive feedback desired/expected. I have only started shooting again after a +20 year layoff, and need lots of practice and feedback. Not to mention, that I seem incapable of critiquing my own images effectively. I could care less about votes, I'm not here to be seen, but rather to learn.

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Tim Lucente
My Galleries

[chempilot]

i agree, i would love to have a bit more C&C on my pictures so that i can learn. also, a lot of times i click on members that have made comments in others galleries and this often leads to exploring other people's collections i may not have seen otherwise....

[zenotri]

I like this idea as well.

Whether or not we like or agree with it, simply taking great photos is not always enough to have them viewed on PBase. Sure, some outstanding ones will float to the top, but there are plenty of other outstanding ones which don't.

I regulary look at the PAD gallery. I rarely look at names, I just click on the thumbnails that jump out at me, sometimes I like them & comment/vote, sometimes I don't. I also have a list of people I visit as regularly as possible & some that visit me. Again, I only comment/vote on the photos I like, I try not to comment just to support that person.

I like people to visit my galleries & comment. It shows me which of my images are most pleasing to the eye. I don't want people commenting for the sake of it & don't really appreciate a generic comment that has been given word for word to 20 other images that day. The reality is, without the network that I am building, many of my photos may never even be seen, unless I use them as my PAD. I learn a lot from comments & always appreciate CC.

Vickie
http://www.pbase.com/zenotri

[anthony]

Hi Uese,

I've not really got into the habit of commenting on people's pictures, so maybe this is a good way to get into it. I've left a few on yours already, and will go back again.

Best,

Anthony.

[kpoynton]

Hi Uese,
Nice idea you got here. I'm quite new round these parts. Seems to me thats what pbase should be all about. Count me in.
I might not get time to go through everyones pics but will do my best.

Thanks
Keith
http://www.pbase.com/kpoynton