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lschell
 
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Re: Warning, your photos are being stolen!

Post Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:37 am


troron wrote:Because I save it as 72dpi!
It's not debatable.

Haha. I see there's a lot of confusion about dpi (which actually should be called ppi when displayed on screen, but that's a different discussion).

Let me tell you this: a .jpg file has no dpi. You can't save it as 72 dpi and expect that people can't use it. Yes, it has a label in it saying xxx dpi but that doesn't do anything. The only thing that's important is the number of pixels your file has. Then when you want to PRINT it, the size of the print and the number of pixels determine the dpi.

Look at this photo.
http://www.pbase.com/lschell/image/49493702
Now look at the EXIF. I saved it as 2 dpi.

Then look at this one.
http://www.pbase.com/lschell/image/49493718
Take a look at the EXIF again. I saved it as 2000 dpi.

Now here comes the surprise: there is no difference between the photos! They have the exact same quality! When you print them at a certain size, they will be exactly the same. Try it for yourself and you will see that this 72 dpi myth is nonsense.

If you upload your photos using the original camera resolution (say 5184 x 3456), people will be able to print it at a large size, whether you save it as 72 dpi or not. Even if you save it at, say, 10 dpi. The number of pixels (and only that) determine the quality of a print at a certain size. To prevent other people stealing your photos, you should make them smaller, downsize them, before uploading. Forget about the dpi. If people have enough pixels, they can make larger prints just by telling Photoshop how big the print needs to be. Photoshop will adapt the dpi value accordingly without affecting the quality of the image.
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lschell
 
Posts: 60

Re: Warning, your photos are being stolen!

Post Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:41 am


troron wrote:Do this:
Save any image you have at 800 wide 300dpi. If you have photoshop its easy.
Now print it out on your printer letter size.
Ok now save the same image at 800 wide and 72 dpi and print it out letter size... UGLY

Yeah, but is it still 800 wide? Now try it with unselecting Resample image...

Try it with 1 dpi and see what happens.

prinothcat
 
Posts: 662

Re: Warning, your photos are being stolen!

Post Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:33 am


troron wrote:
prinothcat wrote:


This is almost something that can't be described with text but you have it right.


Done it, I've been saving at 72x72 forever. I do know that the files are minuscule in size, all of 100 kb, so I'm reasonably sure they are low res. :D I had always been under the impression that DPI was set at printing, as said above based upon the total pixel count and the size of the print. I work on the premise that small files == limited data == poor print resolution.

troron
 
Posts: 219

Re: Warning, your photos are being stolen!

Post Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:13 am


lschell wrote:
troron wrote:Do this:
Save any image you have at 800 wide 300dpi. If you have photoshop its easy.
Now print it out on your printer letter size.
Ok now save the same image at 800 wide and 72 dpi and print it out letter size... UGLY

Yeah, but is it still 800 wide? Now try it with unselecting Resample image...

Try it with 1 dpi and see what happens.


I dont know what you mean. It's already on Pbase! Do you think you can downland any one of my images and then enlarge and PRINT it without any quality loss?

Here, I give you and anyone else permision to downlaod this image: http://www.pbase.com/troron/image/115182593.jpg
On my hard drive this is a 9600x3600 (32" x11" at 300 resolution) and a file size is 18,000,000 bytes (18mb) and hangs on the wall very nice.

but the one you see here is 750x281 (2.5" x 0.93" at 72 resolution) and a file size of 52,000 bytes (52kb)

So after downloading print it out on 8-1/2 x 11 photo paper.
I think you are going to have to do this before you accept the idea.

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lschell
 
Posts: 60

Re: Warning, your photos are being stolen!

Post Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:49 am


troron wrote:On my hard drive this is a 9600x3600 and a file size is 18,000,000 bytes (18mb) and hangs on the wall very nice.
but the one you see here is 750x281 and a file size of 52,000 bytes (52kb)

That's what I am saying all along. It is only the pixel size of your image that determines if people can print your image in high quality or not. 72 dpi (as in your original post) has nothing to do with it. You can upload your 9600x3600 file at 20 dpi and it is still a useful image. You can upload your 750x281 pixel file at 10,000 dpi and it is still useless.

I am still not sure you understand this whole thing. You're saying that the file on your drive is 300 dpi and the one online 72 dpi? In that case you are wrong.

Here's some more reading:
http://blog.patyuen.com/lessons/photography/the-72-dpi-myth/
http://www.dpiphoto.eu/dpi.htm
http://www.ekdahl.org/test_dpi/test2dpi.htm

troron
 
Posts: 219

Re: Warning, your photos are being stolen!

Post Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:52 pm


lschell wrote:
troron wrote:On my hard drive this is a 9600x3600 and a file size is 18,000,000 bytes (18mb) and hangs on the wall very nice.
but the one you see here is 750x281 and a file size of 52,000 bytes (52kb)

That's what I am saying all along. It is only the pixel size of your image that determines if people can print your image in high quality or not. 72 dpi (as in your original post) has nothing to do with it. You can upload your 9600x3600 file at 20 dpi and it is still a useful image. You can upload your 750x281 pixel file at 10,000 dpi and it is still useless.

I am still not sure you understand this whole thing. You're saying that the file on your drive is 300 dpi and the one online 72 dpi? In that case you are wrong.

Here's some more reading:
http://blog.patyuen.com/lessons/photography/the-72-dpi-myth/
http://www.dpiphoto.eu/dpi.htm
http://www.ekdahl.org/test_dpi/test2dpi.htm


You are totally right
I was totally wrong
and so was the "total training" cd

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