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Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 12:17 am
by isabel95
This code, e.g. <embed src="http://isabelcutler.com/VanWingerdenMusicians.mp3" autostart=true loop=false> no longer works with either Firefox or Chrome and the code doesn't even appear in the description beneath the picture, as in this image: https://pbase.com/image/105665262/original
Can someone provide code that will work with Firefox, at least?
One of the reasons I remain with PBase is for this feature of being able to include a sound file with an image. It's very disappointing not to have it.

Re: Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 2:19 am
by richo
isabel95 wrote:This code, e.g. <embed src="http://isabelcutler.com/VanWingerdenMusicians.mp3" autostart=true loop=false> no longer works with either Firefox or Chrome and the code doesn't even appear in the description beneath the picture, as in this image: https://pbase.com/image/105665262/original
Can someone provide code that will work with Firefox, at least?
One of the reasons I remain with PBase is for this feature of being able to include a sound file with an image. It's very disappointing not to have it.


See this on W3Schools...
"Note: Many web browsers have supported the <embed> tag for a long time. However, the <embed> tag has not been a part of the HTML 4 specification. The <embed> tag is new in HTML5, and will validate in an HTML5 page. However, if you use it in an HTML 4 page, the page will not validate." - https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_embed.asp

You can try your embed on this HTML5 page - https://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_intro.asp
If it works there then it is an issue with HTML4 to 5 transition. Pbase.com is not using the proper HTML5 header which is "<!DOCTYPE html>" they are using <html lang="en-US">

Re: Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 3:11 am
by dw_thomas
Alas, I am not a web wizard, but your query got me curious.

It appears Firefox 66.0 and up blocks auto play by default to avoid the well known jolt of audio blasting out when you enter a new page. An article here: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/02/firefox-66-to-block-automatically-playing-audible-video-and-audio/ So that's one change. Purportedly it will auto play if the volume is muted (which doesn't accomplish your goal!)

You can configure exceptions to that on a URL basis in the browser options. I used "view source" to see what you were installing and was able to get a small local HTML file to auto play here (Firefox 66.0.4) by configuring an exception for my local file. Under those conditions, a typical mini-player shows up with a play/pause button, elapsed time bar, and volume control. Before I configured my browser to allow auto play, the player appeared, but I had to click the play button for it to run.

But even with the exception set for the URL of your example PBase image in my browser I don't see that player -- or hear music -- did that player used to show when this stuff worked? Mayhaps it's an unholy combination of browser changes and the "New Hardware" at PBase.

Good luck (and I like the music!)
DaveT

Re: Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:40 am
by mardoli
Please, try this code

<audio controls autoplay>
<source src="http://isabelcutler.com/VanWingerdenMusicians.mp3" type="audio/mpeg">
</audio>

For me it works both in Chrome and Firefox.
I hope it can help

Re: Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 6:14 pm
by richo
mardoli wrote:Please, try this code

<audio controls autoplay>
<source src="http://isabelcutler.com/VanWingerdenMusicians.mp3" type="audio/mpeg">
</audio>

For me it works both in Chrome and Firefox.
I hope it can help


Good call...here is the reference the <audio> tag: https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_audio.asp

Re: Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:21 pm
by isabel95
richo wrote:
isabel95 wrote:This code, e.g. <embed src="http://isabelcutler.com/VanWingerdenMusicians.mp3" autostart=true loop=false> no longer works with either Firefox or Chrome and the code doesn't even appear in the description beneath the picture, as in this image: https://pbase.com/image/105665262/original
Can someone provide code that will work with Firefox, at least?
One of the reasons I remain with PBase is for this feature of being able to include a sound file with an image. It's very disappointing not to have it.


See this on W3Schools...
"Note: Many web browsers have supported the <embed> tag for a long time. However, the <embed> tag has not been a part of the HTML 4 specification. The <embed> tag is new in HTML5, and will validate in an HTML5 page. However, if you use it in an HTML 4 page, the page will not validate." - https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_embed.asp

You can try your embed on this HTML5 page - https://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_intro.asp
If it works there then it is an issue with HTML4 to 5 transition. Pbase.com is not using the proper HTML5 header which is "<!DOCTYPE html>" they are using <html lang="en-US">


Thank you for your response. I'm sorry I didn't check back to see it.

This is sounding very complicated.

Re: Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:22 pm
by isabel95
dw_thomas wrote:Alas, I am not a web wizard, but your query got me curious.

It appears Firefox 66.0 and up blocks auto play by default to avoid the well known jolt of audio blasting out when you enter a new page. An article here: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/02/firefox-66-to-block-automatically-playing-audible-video-and-audio/ So that's one change. Purportedly it will auto play if the volume is muted (which doesn't accomplish your goal!)

You can configure exceptions to that on a URL basis in the browser options. I used "view source" to see what you were installing and was able to get a small local HTML file to auto play here (Firefox 66.0.4) by configuring an exception for my local file. Under those conditions, a typical mini-player shows up with a play/pause button, elapsed time bar, and volume control. Before I configured my browser to allow auto play, the player appeared, but I had to click the play button for it to run.

But even with the exception set for the URL of your example PBase image in my browser I don't see that player -- or hear music -- did that player used to show when this stuff worked? Mayhaps it's an unholy combination of browser changes and the "New Hardware" at PBase.

Good luck (and I like the music!)
DaveT


Thank you, Dave.

I wish they would stop "improving" our browsers.

It's looking like a fix is going to be a bit complicamted. Sorry I didn't see this response sooner. I guess I should have checked "Notify me when a reply is posted.

Re: Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:02 pm
by isabel95
dw_thomas wrote:Alas, I am not a web wizard, but your query got me curious.

It appears Firefox 66.0 and up blocks auto play by default to avoid the well known jolt of audio blasting out when you enter a new page. An article here: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/02/firefox-66-to-block-automatically-playing-audible-video-and-audio/ So that's one change. Purportedly it will auto play if the volume is muted (which doesn't accomplish your goal!)

You can configure exceptions to that on a URL basis in the browser options. I used "view source" to see what you were installing and was able to get a small local HTML file to auto play here (Firefox 66.0.4) by configuring an exception for my local file. Under those conditions, a typical mini-player shows up with a play/pause button, elapsed time bar, and volume control. Before I configured my browser to allow auto play, the player appeared, but I had to click the play button for it to run.

But even with the exception set for the URL of your example PBase image in my browser I don't see that player -- or hear music -- did that player used to show when this stuff worked? Mayhaps it's an unholy combination of browser changes and the "New Hardware" at PBase.

Good luck (and I like the music!)
DaveT


Thanks for investigating this for me. The solution(?) is sounding a bit above my pay grade.

Re: Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:03 pm
by isabel95
richo wrote:
isabel95 wrote:This code, e.g. <embed src="http://isabelcutler.com/VanWingerdenMusicians.mp3" autostart=true loop=false> no longer works with either Firefox or Chrome and the code doesn't even appear in the description beneath the picture, as in this image: https://pbase.com/image/105665262/original
Can someone provide code that will work with Firefox, at least?
One of the reasons I remain with PBase is for this feature of being able to include a sound file with an image. It's very disappointing not to have it.


See this on W3Schools...
"Note: Many web browsers have supported the <embed> tag for a long time. However, the <embed> tag has not been a part of the HTML 4 specification. The <embed> tag is new in HTML5, and will validate in an HTML5 page. However, if you use it in an HTML 4 page, the page will not validate." - https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_embed.asp

You can try your embed on this HTML5 page - https://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_intro.asp
If it works there then it is an issue with HTML4 to 5 transition. Pbase.com is not using the proper HTML5 header which is "<!DOCTYPE html>" they are using <html lang="en-US">


Thanks for investigating this - it's sounding a bit complicated for me. I wish PBase would keep up with the times.

They've had features that I really appreciated, such as having the EXIF indicate whether flash was used, but that hasn't worked for years.

Re: Old embed code html file not working

PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:24 pm
by isabel95
mardoli wrote:Please, try this code

<audio controls autoplay>
<source src="http://isabelcutler.com/VanWingerdenMusicians.mp3" type="audio/mpeg">
</audio>

For me it works both in Chrome and Firefox.
I hope it can help


Just tried it in both Firefox and Chrome and the gadget appears under the image, but it doesn't autoplay. Having to click on the arrow is a good alternative so people aren't jarred by the sound. Thank you, again.
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