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Is posting an image more than once in PAD unethical ??

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1designguy
 
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Post Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:31 pm


artlessbeauty wrote:
lindarocks wrote:Lazy - for not abusing the system? You can't be serious?


Please read it carefully first. There it has been argued that posting three times a day in PaD does not disobey any rule..... then how come it is abusing the system ??

regards,


Within the PaD community, there at one point existed an honest desire to better ourselves as photographers through taking and posting a picture each day. One result (before I came on board and why I came on board) was that you got the exposure of others with the same commitment and desire. That level of commitment created a comradery and allowed a sense of community and open creative commentary.

While you say "it has been argued that posting three times a day in PaD does not disobey any rule", it definitely ignores the deeper reason (betterment) for PaDding. If you desire greater exposure, pick your course (good photography or more exposure) and you will meet your goal. Just be aware that you will in the process pick your comrades with equal intentions.

Scott

artlessbeauty
 
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Post Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:07 pm


1designguy wrote:While you say "it has been argued that posting three times a day in PaD does not disobey any rule", it definitely ignores the deeper reason (betterment) for PaDding. If you desire greater exposure, pick your course (good photography or more exposure) and you will meet your goal. Just be aware that you will in the process pick your comrades with equal intentions.

Scott


Hello Scott,

In my post I did not say that posting 3 times a day is okay for me only, rather I argued for a case where everybody posting three times a day. And according to my logic/argument that will give better exposure to all.

And doing better photography and trying to get exposure are two independent paths towards the satisfaction on doing photography I feel. They are not complementary rather closely depend on each other. Every good photographer would feel happy if more people see their work.... how much appreciation will he/she receive that entirely depends on the quality of photographs.

The deeper reason of PaDing is nothing but displaying your work to others..... if we can have an way that do it better or more efficiently why not following that, when it doesn't disobey any of the rules set by PBase.

regards,
Manas Khan
... in admiration of artless beauty
http://www.pbase.com/artlessbeauty

djwixx
 
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Post Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:46 pm


artlessbeauty wrote:
1designguy wrote:While you say "it has been argued that posting three times a day in PaD does not disobey any rule", it definitely ignores the deeper reason (betterment) for PaDding. If you desire greater exposure, pick your course (good photography or more exposure) and you will meet your goal. Just be aware that you will in the process pick your comrades with equal intentions.

Scott


Hello Scott,

In my post I did not say that posting 3 times a day is okay for me only, rather I argued for a case where everybody posting three times a day. And according to my logic/argument that will give better exposure to all.

And doing better photography and trying to get exposure are two independent paths towards the satisfaction on doing photography I feel. They are not complementary rather closely depend on each other. Every good photographer would feel happy if more people see their work.... how much appreciation will he/she receive that entirely depends on the quality of photographs.

The deeper reason of PaDing is nothing but displaying your work to others..... if we can have an way that do it better or more efficiently why not following that, when it doesn't disobey any of the rules set by PBase.

regards,


But you're missing the point - there are no rules, only guidance. If there were rules in place, and hence mechanisms, then this whole discussion would be pointless.

Most people adher to the 'rules' and those who don't invariably lose out because the rest of the community invariably chooses to ignore them due to that disrespect for the community.

You can argue, this way and that, but this forum will not approve or disapprove of any individuals actions and then be forgiving of any abuse on the basis of advice in the forums.

Do your own thing and see what happens.

jypsee
 
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I asked the OP...

Post Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:07 pm


how many times he was intending to repost the same photo in the meta gallery; as it happens, I was bored one day and actually LOOKED at the meta gallery and his photo kept showing up over and over, hence the comment which he has deleted. I'm sure I wasn't the only person to comment on his re-uploading.
It's interesting to me that this discussion continues apace since the OP seems to want affirmation that what he's doing isn't "wrong." Actually, I think it's just rude, but not "wrong." I'm one of the folks who think that the use of PAD is a personal choice and "abuse" is in the mind of the beholder.

My only PERSONAL WISH/criteria for a PAD are:
don't keep re-uploading the same photo (it's rude)
PLEASE keep one gallery as your PAD gallery instead of designating a new one each time you decide to post (I like to look at the body of work from each photographer and I consider the PAD to have a snapshot of the way a photographer works).
And, now back to our regularly scheduled disagreements :lol:

ekke
 
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Unethical is too big a word

Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:21 am


but I think it is just not fair. As several posters before me have already noted,PaD stands for "picture a day", and for the sake of the community (equal opportunities) everyone should observe this simple rule. I must admit that after one and a half years with pbase I do not check the PaD gallery so often but when I did, I really was annoyed by the guys who always had an image on the first page (I think there are always a few who do) and I just stopped following their work.
There are other ways of getting attention for one's images - the most important being image quality, but also writing comments, etc. etc everyone knows (or should know) the rules of the game after some time. In my opinion, someone who feels the urge to post images in the PAD gallery every other hour has reached a level of "pbase addiction" that that already has pathological tendencies.

djwixx
 
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Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:45 pm


I finally associated artlessbeauty with Manas Khan.

To be fair, you have some excellent shots, but to emphasize my earlier point, because I see "Manas Khan" appearing frequently in the PAD galleries, contrary to being good shots, I ignore them because of the frequent appearance. You may as well put up big sign that says "LOOK AT ME, ME, ME".

Again, as numerous people have suggested, let your work speak for itself, and accept that occasionally something won't get the attention YOU think it deserves.

There are only so many times I want to see a bee on a flower or light through trees before it becomes uninteresting.

bobfloyd
 
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Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:55 pm


artlessbeauty wrote:
In my post I did not say that posting 3 times a day is okay for me only, rather I argued for a case where everybody posting three times a day. And according to my logic/argument that will give better exposure to all.


The problem with this argument is the with volume comes mediocrity. There are some who could post 3 or 4 photos everyday and post good work doing it. Most of us do not have that time. I work very hard to get the one Photo A Day up that I do (when I manage to do that even) and try to make it worth while, both for myself and for those who care to look. Admittedly I am not always successful but I do try. Those posting more than that to a PAD gallery are stealing time from me and those others here who treat this with honor.

artlessbeauty wrote:And doing better photography and trying to get exposure are two independent paths towards the satisfaction on doing photography I feel. They are not complementary rather closely depend on each other. Every good photographer would feel happy if more people see their work.... how much appreciation will he/she receive that entirely depends on the quality of photographs.


You are right, they are different paths to the same goal, however, the PAD gallery was set up to serve only one of them. There are other avenues to exposure if that is your goal. Post in the Show and Tell forum. Post in multiple galleries of your own when you do post so that more of your galleries show in the Recently Updated list. Most important, look at and comment on the work of others. I think this last step has gotten me more exposure than any other thing I could have done here at Pbase. If you want attention, you must first give that attention to others. Most people here will nearly always go check out the work of someone who is kind enough to take a minute of their day, look at our work and leave a comment.

artlessbeauty wrote:The deeper reason of PaDing is nothing but displaying your work to others..... if we can have an way that do it better or more efficiently why not following that, when it doesn't disobey any of the rules set by PBase.


With all due respect, you still don't get it. You have been told multiple times in this thread that most here, at least the serious and respected ones, do PAD to improve their photography. There is a collective peer pressure there to work at getting a good photograph every day that helps us, drives us forward. Posting more than one photo or posting the same photo multiple times is counter to the collective culture.

Just because something is said politely and offered as a request rather than a rule is no reason to disregard it. It is also no reason to upload a new photo every hour or every 8 hours because it says not to do it every 5 minutes. I believe one should follow the spirit of the request which is to upload only 1 photo per day. In some circumstances, when you are behind and have photos taken on previous days you might post 2 or 3 to catch up but that should be the exception rather than the rule.

Lastly, you have spent most of this thread trying defend your actions after asking a question you nearly had to know you would not like the answer to. I think it is safe to say that none of those abusing the PAD meta gallery in the manner you wish to do spend anytime here in this forum. Most of the folks who take this project seriously enough to come to this forum also believe in the unwritten code of conduct for the PAD project.

So I believe you have your answer. I am sorry it does not make you happy or give you the justification you were seeking.

artlessbeauty
 
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Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:21 pm


djwixx wrote:There are only so many times I want to see a bee on a flower or light through trees before it becomes uninteresting.


Just for a correction..... what you are talking about are my galleries and not single shots! You might have felt all those are similar.... but actually they are different.
http://www.pbase.com/artlessbeauty/morning_rays
http://www.pbase.com/artlessbeauty/bee_breakfast

Now I know why so many people here are complaining that I post same image in PaD too many times..... they are too busy in policing how many times a photograph (or rather similar photographs) is coming in the PaD rather than seeing a photograph with a photographers mind... and so can not distinguish between two similar images.
But probably now you say it's against the spirit of PaD to post similar images in PaD. (just kidding)

And thanks to other PBase members who do not judge a photo just by a glance like you, the 'Morning Rays' gallery was there in top 10 galleries in 7 days section for two weeks. :)

regards,
Manas Khan
... in admiration of artless beauty
http://www.pbase.com/artlessbeauty

jypsee
 
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Manas

Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:21 pm


why bother asking the question at all? you're obviously going to do what you deem correct, fair, equitable, etc.
As far as your work is concerned, I have to agree with others that endless photos of the same subject matter is NOT interesting. What was interesting to me was you blatant reposting of the same photo to GAIN views, or whatever you're after.

djwixx
 
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Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:37 pm


artlessbeauty wrote:
djwixx wrote:There are only so many times I want to see a bee on a flower or light through trees before it becomes uninteresting.


Just for a correction..... what you are talking about are my galleries and not single shots! You might have felt all those are similar.... but actually they are different.
http://www.pbase.com/artlessbeauty/morning_rays
http://www.pbase.com/artlessbeauty/bee_breakfast

Now I know why so many people here are complaining that I post same image in PaD too many times..... they are too busy in policing how many times a photograph (or rather similar photographs) is coming in the PaD rather than seeing a photograph with a photographers mind... and so can not distinguish between two similar images.
But probably now you say it's against the spirit of PaD to post similar images in PaD. (just kidding)

And thanks to other PBase members who do not judge a photo just by a glance like you, the 'Morning Rays' gallery was there in top 10 galleries in 7 days section for two weeks. :)

regards,


You're not listening are you!!!

No one is questioning the merits of your pictures, just the frequency with which they appear. If you look back you will see I commented on those pictures, and yes I can see the difference between one picture and another. Not everyone has the time to absorb every picture for all its qualities. If you look at the comments you have posted on my pictures it's safe to say that you have been just as slack in viewing the full potential of a picture as you're suggesting I have been. If you review the comments you make they don't suggest a great deal of thought, rather a casual view, so when making a criticism please ensure you cannot be accused of the same thing.

The fact that you reference being in the top of whatever suggests recognition is all you are after. Fee free to become the Genghis of PAD - he has devalued the Show and Tell forums in the same way as you and others are slowly devaluing the PAD galleries.

djwixx
 
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Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:47 pm


By the way, as a forum moderator, if anyone feels this discussion has gone on too long, let me know and I'll lock the thread.

Thanks.

artlessbeauty
 
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Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:11 pm


djwixx wrote:By the way, as a forum moderator, if anyone feels this discussion has gone on too long, let me know and I'll lock the thread.

Thanks.


Then please lock the thread. The discussion has really gone too long.
It was my mistake to start this topic..... now on I would be careful to use the PBase forum for discussing any issue.

Thanks to all who have replied to my post.

regards,
Manas Khan
... in admiration of artless beauty
http://www.pbase.com/artlessbeauty

djwixx
 
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Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:15 pm


There is never a mistake starting a thread. The forums are there to ask questions and get answers. Sometimes the answers aren't what you want to hear. Everyone is more than happy to give help and advice, I know, because I often need it as well. Participation is the key, and appreciation of the advice and suggestions of others, more so.

Do your thing and accept that others may not appreciate it.

sbbish
 
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Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:25 pm


Your first post in this thread said:

But if most of the PaD members here say that re-posting an image in PAD gallery is unethical, I would stop that.


While not many have actually said it is unethical, almost all have said that it is against the spirit of PaD and it is annoying. And you have tried to justify your actions with counter-arguments in each case.

It seems clear you did not get the responses you were wanting and this has made you unhappy. You will do what you want.

pbaseguy
 
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Post Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:47 pm


artlessbeauty wrote:And thanks to other PBase members who do not judge a photo just by a glance like you, the 'Morning Rays' gallery was there in top 10 galleries in 7 days section for two weeks. :)

regards,


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Your trophy is probably being shipped to you as we read this.

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