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Apologies if been asked before, but does PAD work for you?

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gpaai
 
Posts: 904
Location: Irvine, California


Post Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:36 pm


pheebs67 wrote:
gpaai wrote:
pheebs67 wrote:Anyone wanna play? :)


I just purchased a 20D with an EF 70-200mmL IS USM lens. I'm afraid that critiquing my work at this point would destroy me since I have no clue as to what I'm doing at this point... :lol:

But sure, why not, go ahead... :oops:

Gary


Hi Gary - I've added you to my usergroup called "Critique" - Don't worry, I haven't got a huge pedestal to be standing on. I'll just give you my honest opinion of how I would have approached a shot or how I would be interested in seeing a shot in a different way :) Hopefully some of it might help! :)

Feel free to do the same ...


Ok, but I reserve the right to delete any and all comments that might make me cry... :lol:
I love photoshopography.......

alexphotos
 
Posts: 561


Post Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:48 pm


I am willing to play to i got my first constructive comment last night.
Alexandre Trudeau-Dion aka ALEXPHOTOS http://www.pbase.com/alexphotos <=== http://www.Alexphotos.ca

camera0bug
 
Posts: 1221
Location: San Diego


Post Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:44 pm


If you're really short on photo ideas for your PAD...
...I'll loan you one of mine.

Of course some day, you'll have to repay the loan!

:?


(just kidding of course...except to Adal)

:lol:
.


Don't be afraid to be different than the pack.

darter02
 
Posts: 455
Location: Greensburg, PA


Post Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:31 pm


“PADingâ€
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

betsypdx
 
Posts: 21


Post Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:18 pm


I'm open to critique as well, and try from time to time to offer it. I don't mind having the comments be posted publicly either -- if I'm really offended I can always hide it, but it seems silly when someone is offering a better cropping or pp suggestion that those comments need to be "private". Suggestions I've received to clone out or blur out a distracting item, or to try a different crop have been very useful for me. I don't always have time to do much to the photos in my PaD gallery before I post, but I do have time before I send them off to get printed.

hmetal
 
Posts: 246


Post Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:39 pm


<soapbox>

You know, there would probably be a lot less "crap" in the PAD meta-gallery if people would give constructive criticisms and comments to those "untrained eyes," that I've heard mention of in this post. Those who really care to learn will benefit from your taking a few tens of seconds of your time to comment on their images and why they aren't appealing to you.

When I first started out with PAD, I was relatively new to the digital SLR, but had done a lot of P&S snapshots for years before. I had a trained eye already but needed to work on technique. I also don't take "Photo A Day" literally. To me, it doesn't necessarily mean you have to snap a photo a day but I do post a photo a day. I try to shoot every day but let's face it, this is real life and sometimes work, play, family and housework/chores require your attention first and foremost.

Anyways..

Those of us who sometimes post "crap," as others see it would know WHY others see it that way if people would say what it is about a given image that turns them off.

You don't have to be rude, but be honest. Give a true critique. If you don't have time to do it, don't comment at all. You're only making yourself look like an arse if you just rant on the gallery owner without offering suggestions or alternatives for improvement.

I mean, it takes just as long to give someone else a constructive opinion as it does to pat guys like myself or Bill & Wanda on the back. Surely, if you have time to comment on the better or more pleasing images, you have time to comment on some of the others.

</soapbox>
Ray A. Akey
http://luminescentmemories.com - Luminescent Memories Photography
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmetal - My Flickr
http://www.pbase.com/hmetal/pad - My PAD
http://codemain.com - A small portfolio

leggings
 
Posts: 331


Post Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:42 am


Interesting suggestion about posting a photo a day but it has been discussed: http://forum.pbase.com/viewtopic.php?t=4816

The idea of a club of photographers giving honest opinions has been done as well. Don’t have the link but I am sure some will recall it. In theory it is a good idea and as long as people are kind it should work, probably.

Myself, I started with film and went to digital about a year or so ago; I cannot recall the exact date. However I just recently bought a new film camera. I like film. It is more challenging to me than digital. With digital you can delete the photo and move on but with film you have the lasting memory of a shot mucked up. That is for another debate though.

Nonetheless, I am going with photos that were done recently, something done in the last century, just kidding.

Duncan

carole_s
 
Posts: 91


Post Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:20 pm


Im a rookie Padder and I have only been doing the PBase and the PAD a week and half, so some of you might think I dont know what Im talking about but here goes anyway!

I nearly didnt sign up because I fely a little intimidated when I saw the photos people were putting on, some fantastic works of art, some funny things that had happened that day and some really different images I have in my home and would never have thought of taking! I didnt think I could do it because I had never just had a go!

The Pad has encouraged me to look around, we all have works of art around our home if we look (Im still looking)! But the point is its making you think with no hard and fast rules.

If you cant manage an image a day so what, try for one a week!
Photography is be fun and a huge learning curve.

I have improved; not only in my photography but in the handling of my camera in a week wether you think so is another matter!
But I know I have because suddenly Im lookng out of my box of Wildlife photography and am looking at other genre's.

I can suddenly see pictures that I would have walked by last month, everything has SUDDENLY fallen into place, THANKS TO THE PBase and the PAD!
I have had some wonderful comments and support from the padders (and non padders SORRY).

The gallery's are for our best or nicest work and the PAD is fun lets have a go at that image without pressure, at least have ago!
So what if the pictures crap in your eyes it may not be in someone elses, someone will give some advice on what you can do with it.

DONT GIVE UP PADDING we all need some ME time and Padding gives that to you!

clickaway
 
Posts: 2689


Post Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:36 pm


I started this PAD a long time gao, back in summer 2003!

At first, I treated it as just a bit of fun to see if it would be possible to take a reasonable photo each day. My life was not very exciting with the daily commute to work to sit in an office block for seven hours each day, you know the score.

I soon learnt that it WAS possible to take a picture of the mundane and make something of it. Even where I lived!

My reasons for doing PAD have evolved, as I now have a lot more time on my hands than before and so I find it a form of therapy and a way to fill up some of my day. I also love the feedback, but that is very much a "me" thing so won't dwell on it.

Did I say it was a drug LOL!

The light is fading as I type and I haven't a clue what my PAD will be today. It could be crap so watch out!

Ray

djwixx
 
Posts: 1360

Sorry to be an unqualified PADer

Post Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:44 pm


I must admit the first few pages of this forum make me wonder why I bother with a PAD, then on reflection it seems that most of the comments were posted by 'qualified' photographers, who as stated previously would consider pictures by snappers (like me) to be crap, which in most (all) cases they probably are. I'm just wondering at what point 'qualified' photographers realised that every picture they took and posted qualified as a great photograph - were they all qualified photographers from the off, or did they start by taking crap pictures like the rest of us?

What you have to realise (from someone unqualified), is that with the current age of photography, digital cameras, online sharing etc., is that anyone can, relatively cheaply, join the photographic world. It doesn't make them photographers, but they can still share their views and experiences of the world. Reviewing Pbase shows there are a great number of people with P&S cameras, that are very obviously photographers, and a great number of people with a huge array of photo gear and are very obviously not photographers.

Where do I put myself - I'm a snapper, I like to take pictures, but I would absolutely NOT dare qualify myself as a photographer, and would be embarassed if the term was used for me. I would suggest 90%+ of the people on Pbase are people who simple like to share their experiences with family and friends, and if anyone else enjoys the experience on the way, that's a bonus.

Why do I do a PAD - to make me carry my camera, make me think about taking pictures regularly, review my pictures and learn a little about photography - more importantly enjoy taking pictures, crap or not. I get occasional comments on my PAD, and yes mostly they are 'nice shot', but it is encouragement - it keeps me going, wanting to share and more importantly wanting to learn. Constructive criticism and advice are extremely useful (just some would be great), but sometimes several 'nice shots' does the same. After several months and some pleasant praise, if I don't get any comments it normally makes me wonder what 'missed'.

We can't all be 'qualified' photographers, but we all have to start somewhere, and the PAD helps, albeit with 'qualified' photographers having to endure the crap to find the odd gem - sorry, I will try harder!!

As I see it there are two types of photographers:
1) Those that take fantastic pictures ('have an eye'), but aren't technically proficient.
2) Those that are technically proficient, but don't 'have an eye'.
The <b>true</b> photographer however, is the one that is both technically proficient and 'has an eye'.

Pbase has all three of the above, and a large percentage aspiring to fall into any category..
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darter02
 
Posts: 455
Location: Greensburg, PA


Post Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:09 pm


I think there’s a big misunderstanding of the phase “a lot of crapâ€
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

djwixx
 
Posts: 1360


Post Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:16 pm


Point taken darter02, but it does seem that the PADs are the easiest way to elicit feedback, if that's all people are after.
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troonly
 
Posts: 124


Post Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:33 pm


I'm a PaD snapper too..... has a nice ring to it :)

pathfindar
 
Posts: 258


Post Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:15 pm


I'm just wondering at what point 'qualified' photographers realised that every picture they took and posted qualified as a great photograph - were they all qualified photographers from the off, or did they start by taking crap pictures like the rest of us?


As a "qualified" photographer that has at least worked in the business and made my living at it at times and some education in the field- I still shoot a lot of "crap." A visit to my gallery proves that ;-)

When someone hires me, I shoot to please the customer. When I shoot and post here, I shoot to please me. The more skill a photographer gains doesn't mean he/she doesn't shoot pictures with mistakes, it is just the percentage goes down. You are less likely to shoot and cut off a head, have your thumb on the lens, or bad composition. That is why most of the stuff I post here would never end up in my portfollio- and any phorographer probably does good to end up with 10-20 percent of his/her work to feel it was portfollio quality. Usually only about 60-75 percent are even considered good enough to show a customer in a lot of shooting situations.

To grow, and continue to grow and find excitement, you also have to experiment and take some risks. I could do studio shots all day and produce "cookie cutter" photos that would have a very high percentage of "correctness" and "quality", but what fun would that be. You will be safe, but almost never get that "exceptional" shot.

I never leave critical comments unless asked to because I know a lot of people are just snappers as you say and their work makes them happy, and that is all that matters. I would never tell anyone their work was crap though. I also always qualify that any suggestions for improvement are just my opinion based on my taste. It also doesn't mean some of my photos in my own galleries couldn't be improved by the same suggestions I might give. I presume the person is asking because they don't know how to improve their shots where I realize (especially since some of my work goes back to 1971 in my galleries) by now what could have been better, but still like my shot or find some other significance in it. I also would rather find photographs they have taken I really like and comment on what I find good about those rather than what I find bad about others. I think the message gets across just the same.

It also depends on the purpose, if it is a really great picture of your family, you don't really care about the rule of thirds, backlighting, etc.- it is just a great shot of your family.

I have seen some exceptional shots by 12 year olds that just got their camera for their birthday a month before.

"There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs". ~Ansel Adams

'
A Ming vase can be well-designed and well-made and is beautiful for that reason alone. I don't think this can be true for photography. Unless there is something a little incomplete and a little strange, it will simply look like a copy of something pretty. We won't take an interest in it." ~John Loengard, "Pictures Under Discussion"

annayu
 
Posts: 488


Post Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:12 am


I never go out and take a picture just to post a PAD. Since I take pictures almost everyday anyway it doesn't make any difference. But sometimes those shots don't turn up in my PAD gallery of the moment, or never turn up anywhere at all because they are crap.

Not to say that the ones I do post aren't crap anyway.

I like the sound of that word.

Crap crap crap.

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