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jenniemarie
 
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Nudity/Pornography

Post Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:24 pm


Is anyone as tired and disappointed as I am of viewing PAD and seeing all the nudity/pornography on Pbase? You don't need to look elsewhere on the Internet, Pbase has it all! There seems to be more and more of it lately too--just take a photo of your nude girlfriend, wife, etc and post it on Pbase! It's offensive, I want to see beautiful photography, not a bunch of women's private parts which is just what most of the photos are, no artistic talent there! Pbase should have a separate/private gallery area for this kind of stuff for the people who want to take a peek.

mikelong
 
Posts: 653

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:02 pm


Doesn't bother me a bit since by choice I don't spend time looking at it. But China is where you'll find what you're looking for, i.e. censorship.

peterb
 
Posts: 360

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:24 pm


I'm tired of looking at pictures of people's pets as well as sunsets so
I don't look at them. Try not viewing images that offend you or ask
yourself why you look anyway.

This is your issue, not PBase's

ac
 
Posts: 236

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:06 pm


Try Flickr, there are filters.

gunnarhorpestad
 
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Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:50 am


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jypsee
 
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Re: Nudity/Pornography; I'm with you, Jennie

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:09 am


But, I rarely look at PAD galleries any more. I have a long list of favorites that I find useful.
The folks who post nudity/porn do it for attention.
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bassrock
 
Posts: 154

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:41 am


I think this is a valid question to ask, although it has been asked several times in the past.

Personally I think PBase should apply some form of filter but I don't think they ever will because ongoing development of the site seems to have stopped some time ago. My reasoning for a filter is quite simple - I used to be a regular commenter on PAD and frequently did that during my lunchbreak at work but, because of the increasing amount of adult material here, PBase has now been put on a blacklist of sites deemed to be "unacceptable" so I can no longer view the site from my office. People have often posted in these fora that access to PBase has similarly been blocked at other offices, schools etc.

I am not for censorship but with freedom comes responsibility. It is common in the western world to set limits on what is acceptable viewing for the whole family and what is acceptable for adults (such as certification on movies and video games) and to be clear what is what. Now PBase has never, so far as I am aware, made any statement as to which side of that divide it sits other than the terms of service say no pornography. In that case, I would like to think that people who post to PAD would exercise common sense and restraint, and not post pictures that are likely to cause offence to a general audience. I aim my comments specifically at PAD and not the whole of PBase, because PAD is very much the shop window of the site and so is most likely to be viewed by the widest audience. Now I am not against artistic nudity as a subject matter but occasionally we do get pictures on PAD that are intended to provoke a response.

As for people that say this is a personal issue and not PBase's well I disagree. The future direction of PBase and its membership is directly related to the material the site hosts. Personally I think Slug should address this issue one way or another so that there is clarity over the terms of use, that way everyone will know where they stand, and can judge whether PBase and PAD is for them or not.

Bill

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isolaverde
 
Posts: 218

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:26 am


The rules here say: "PBase reserves the right to remove or categorize images in any way it sees fit. If a user uploads something of questionable legality or taste, it may be removed completely or from certain areas of the site without notice. This includes images appearing on public areas of the site, including but not limited to: popular galleries and images and the search pages."

And understandably perhaps the vigour with which new uploads are patrolled can vary, with - it sometimes seems - less effort than usual being applied overnight, at weekends, over the holidays etc etc (but what a lousy job it must be, pressing that Hide button all day - or all night?).

I'd feel a lot happier inviting people to view my pictures if "my" little area was slightly blocked off from the rest of the site - with perhaps the only route through being via the Profile page, instead of having the "PBase, Galleries, Forum, Search" menu at the top of every single image.

That way visitors wouldn't be only a single click distant from all the front pages of other members' galleries that some poor tired individual hasn't as yet got round to concealing from public view.

If it is proving difficult to keep that job staffed properly, surely that wouldn't so very much to ask?

Peter

peterb
 
Posts: 360

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:51 am


millerlau wrote:I think this is a valid question to ask, although it has been asked several times in the past.

As for people that say this is a personal issue and not PBase's well I disagree. The future direction of PBase and its membership is directly related to the material the site hosts. Personally I think Slug should address this issue one way or another so that there is clarity over the terms of use, that way everyone will know where they stand, and can judge whether PBase and PAD is for them or not.

Bill

BassRockPhotography.com


Clearly it is a personal issue since, from the beginning PBase has always been the way that it is right now regarding this issue.

If a person has a problem dealing with the way things are here, it is a little rude to join and then afterward decide PBase should
change to suit their sensibility when the majority have no problem with PBase's attitude toward freedom of expression.

There are many photo hosting sites to choose from so the solution is easy...pick another and leave PBase to those who share PBase's
philosophy.

antheaz
 
Posts: 14

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:01 pm


Yeah... I'm so over seeing the naked women, particularly when they're slimmer and better lookin then me. I just want to know where the nude photos are of all the men! You rarely see naked men popping up on this site. Is this because mens bodies are not photogenic? NATURALLY I would only be looking at a nude photo of a good looking muscle clad and hopefully tatooed dark haired male for artistic reasons, that is, to check out just where the light and shadows fall. I would not complain so much then. :wink:

jenniemarie
 
Posts: 37

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:54 pm


peterb wrote:I'm tired of looking at pictures of people's pets as well as sunsets so
I don't look at them. Try not viewing images that offend you or ask
yourself why you look anyway.

This is your issue, not PBase's


It's interesting to see most of comments FOR the nudity/poronography are from men! Ask yourself why do you look? If you know anything about PAD you can't screen what comes up daily and the thumbnails tell it all.
Its so easy to say it's my issue when I'm sure there are lots of pbasers who do not like this kind of photography on the site but do not say it, or use the forum. As I stated before, there is a lot more of this kind of photography being posted then in the past. There should be a separate private gallery/catagory for it.

bassrock
 
Posts: 154

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:48 pm


peterb wrote: from the beginning PBase has always been the way that it is right now regarding this issue.


peterb wrote: If a person has a problem dealing with the way things are here, it is a little rude to join and then afterward decide PBase should change to suit their sensibility when the majority have no problem with PBase's attitude toward freedom of expression.


Neither the OP nor I were talking about PBase in general but rather PAD. I have absolutely no problems with adult galleries on PBase that are labelled as such so people can exercise personal choice about viewing them. However, in the 6 years I have been here I would say that the content of PAD has changed considerably and there is much more nudity/pornography now than when I started with PAD in 2004. So it wasn't that way when I joined, rather the content has changed since I have been a member. This is what I am commenting on.

Isn't it revealing that you consider me rude (your word) to engage in sensible debate on this forum but it is not rude for other people to upload pictures of genitalia :P

Bill
BassRockPhotography.com

mike_dunbar
 
Posts: 54

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:54 pm


First, to define my own position, whether relevant or not, I am pretty ambivalent about pink bits as long as nothing illegal is involved. I wouldn't want to sit and stare at them all day but I have no objection to whose who would find it fascinating. Again, as long as nothing illegal is involved.

In the wider context, however, if draconian measures had prevailed we would have been denied much of the genius of Picasso, Dali, Newton, Titian, Rococo and too many others. Given that we have accepted these works as art it is difficult to allow a case for regression now. True, in many eyes some of the offending material falls a way short of the standards set by the masters.

Does that mean that the standard of acceptability should pivot on competence? Not in my book. They have to be allowed to start somewhere.

In practical terms, even the offending PAD images are only presented as thumbnails. Pretty easy to take pragmatic action - turn the page.

Let's not be Mary Whitehouse as described by the late Sir John Mortimer. "She is always on the look out for material likely to cause her offence."

dw_thomas
 
Posts: 203

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:56 pm


If God had wanted people to be seen naked, we'd be born without clothes on....



Oh . . . . nevermind. :roll:

1designguy
 
Posts: 2421

Re: Nudity/Pornography

Post Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:28 pm


millerlau wrote:Neither the OP nor I were talking about PBase in general but rather PAD. I have absolutely no problems with adult galleries on PBase that are labelled as such so people can exercise personal choice about viewing them. However, in the 6 years I have been here I would say that the content of PAD has changed considerably and there is much more nudity/pornography now than when I started with PAD in 2004. So it wasn't that way when I joined, rather the content has changed since I have been a member. This is what I am commenting on.

Isn't it revealing that you consider me rude (your word) to engage in sensible debate on this forum but it is not rude for other people to upload pictures of genitalia :P

Bill
BassRockPhotography.com


I rarely find consistent true PaD postings of harder porn nudity (hard to do nudity day after day after day... but easy to dump studio work into a "PaD" tagged gallery). Some very good sensual (my hat's off to those who figure out how to do this well as a SP especially) material makes it into PaDding.

Now if we are talking about the PaD metagallery, that is a whole other story. I have not looked there more than twice in the last year because it is filled with non PaD material (the daily dumping ground for images to keep them near the top of viewed images) for the sake of exposure. Some of that has been there for quite sometime. I too have been PaDding for over four years and will agree much has changed since 2004.

Pbase has been consistent about it's standard on the nudity issue. One thing filtering might allow is opening up viewers who look from protected computers (schools, libraries, etc.). Sensorship of this area of creative expression and experimentation would not be in keeping with the Pbase standard practice.

mike_dunbar wrote:In the wider context, however, if draconian measures had prevailed we would have been denied much of the genius of Picasso, Dali, Newton, Titian, Rococo and too many others. Given that we have accepted these works as art it is difficult to allow a case for regression now. True, in many eyes some of the offending material falls a way short of the standards set by the masters.

Does that mean that the standard of acceptability should pivot on competence? Not in my book. They have to be allowed to start somewhere.

In practical terms, even the offending PAD images are only presented as thumbnails. Pretty easy to take pragmatic action - turn the page.

Let's not be Mary Whitehouse as described by the late Sir John Mortimer. "She is always on the look out for material likely to cause her offence."


Very concise!

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